I might get in trouble for this

[mrblaine]

But it's just too cool not to mention.

I just returned from playing touchy feelie with what I consider a near perfect rock crawling tire if you live out here, compete, or just like MT/R's.

I would guess that GY got a little fed up with BFG stealing a little bit of their thunder and decided to get even.

The tire I saw was an MT/R, and the size is just about perfect for a lot of things. 40-13.50-17, coming in at just under the measured tire limit in most competitions.

Great aspect ratio, load range C for pliable sidewalls. Short enough to steer, tall enough to hop ledges. The 17" rim lets you run huge front brakes.

I don't feel too badly about mentioning them since they will be able to be seen on a rig at the upcoming SEMA show.

Before anyone asks, I got no info on availability, pricing, or even if they are a production tire of any kind, even limited. I only know the specs, and that 4 of them exist. I only wish I knew a price.

[Art Welch]

Nice! That removes my main objection to considering MT/Rs for my next set of tires.

[mudpup]

I saw on pirate where jason paule just got some too.

[Daless2]

Another great example of why competition between two companies is ALWAYS good for the consumer!

(Now if I could just find a way to get K-Mart to survive I am sure it would motivate Wal-Mart to get even better!)

Frank

[Dan-H]

Blaine,

if you need a home for those 37s...

[TJRON]

Can I run them with a BB, Ox u-jonts and Superior axles? Are these tyres better in the mud than the BFG KMs?

[truckjohn]

Originally posted by TJRON
Can I run them with a BB, Ox u-jonts and Superior axles? Are these tyres better in the mud than the BFG KMs?

Yeah, and post some pics of a Blue Jeep with a 2" ome lift, 3" B.L., chrome suspension arms and bumper and those 40's.

and where is the cheapest place to get those ox joints?

Best regards

John

[Tumbleweed]

BTW, how is John doing?

Yes, there was some talk on the POR board about these coming in Jan? I think.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Tumbleweed
BTW, how is John doing?

Yes, there was some talk on the POR board about these coming in Jan? I think.

They were not on John's jeep or one that he owns.

[Tumbleweed]

Okie dokie, color me a very bad guesser!

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Tumbleweed
Okie dokie, color me a very bad guesser!

Normally that would have been a very accurate guess, just not this time.

[Scott Hill]

so how about the custom Job John's dad is working on?? is it sporting these??


Scott

[Jeeper]

What color are they?

Jeeper

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Jeeper
What color are they?

Jeeper

Kinda hard to describe, but sort of a MT/R very dark grey or almost black.

[Robert J. Yates]

Gotta wade through the drool but they are in this thread

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...9&pagenumber=1

[ZUK]

blaine--- I just saw a number flash in my head.....$750..... each.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by ZUK
blaine--- I just saw a number flash in my head.....$750..... each.

I have no idea. You could be right on or way off. No way of knowing.


One thing I would like to see in this whole tire war thing is an understanding by the BFG fans that it will be almost impossible for them to buy the tires they see the competitors run.

On the other hand, I have it from a fairly accurate source that the GY competitors run the same tires you and I can and do buy, excepting the 40-13.50-17 due to it's very recent introduction.

[Tumbleweed]

Blaine, I am sure that BFG is still working their new tires the same way they were in the mid 80's when I was involved in tire testing with the desert racers.
Being a locally based race team out of Vegas, they tested many new prototypes on the old Mint 400 "rock garden" area. I spent quite a few Monday evenings changing tires on Ivan Stewart's rig and several others. I learned a bit-the tires that the big dog racers run are NOT the same ones you and I can buy at the local BFG tire store. They may appear and look identical but they are different!
A side note-Ultra wheels did the same thing. Remember the Outlaw II wheels? Racers got a different alloy than the ones you can buy at the store! I have watched Ivan deliberately hit a rock ledge head on at high speed-left front rim was "racer alloy" and bent but still held a bead; right front rim was "store quality" and completely shattered like broken glass.
Note: I did not see or participate in any Goodyear brand testing-I do not know if they use one compound or not.

[mrblaine]

Don, the conversation basically went like this. I asked what the difference was between the tires the competitors use and the ones they sell to the public.

I was told that when he went to the GY warehouse to get new tires, he just walked in and the stock guy looked at his paperwork and pulled his tires from the big racks with all the other tires on them. Said he was fairly certain that they were all the same.

As closely as I have checked when I got one of his warrantied at America's tire, I could see no differences or any tell tale signs of any.

Now that I think about it, I did buy a set of his old competition tires, put the warranties on them and then had one changed out. No difference as far as I can tell. Well, just one, the new one doesn't have a gash in the sidewall.

[ChrisO]

Originally posted by Daless2
Another great example of why competition between two companies is ALWAYS good for the consumer! Frank

Free enterprise and the American way. The strong will survive.

On a differenf note, I'm really getting behind the curve on this tire thing. I just sold my 35's and I'm going to 37's. And I'm still going to be playing catch-up .

[Beast40]

[Robert J. Yates]

That sure is one purdy rig

Chris O - I know what you mean. I'm not on 37's either and now the 40's are out and my bank account is screaming no waaaaay......

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Robert J. Yates
That sure is one purdy rig

Chris O - I know what you mean. I'm not on 37's either and now the 40's are out and my bank account is screaming no waaaaay......

I hear that one loud and clear. What do you figure it will cost to take a rig like yours or Sergey's from where it is to where it could run the 40's?

New steering with a ram assist
New suspension
New axles in at least HP 60 strength front and rear.
New rims
New t-case
Tons of bodywork
Relocate the Fuel tank

I figure you guys are between 15-20 grand if someone gave you the tires.

Before I get jumped on, I know it can be done tons cheaper, but I am just figuring for the average non-fabricator taking it to some shops that buddies own.

I am also figuring that no way should those tires be run on a TJ without a significant increase in wheelbase.

[ChrisO]

Since I'm gonna go to 37's, I'm considering changing to 17" wheels at the same time.

I would love to have some all-out-trick-double-throwdown-special aluminum beadlocks.............but the ole' wallet would not allow it. And, I'm old-school and not sure that I will like 17's.

So, the question is, is there a wheel manufacture that makes a cheep ($50-75 range) steel (Rockcrawler or white spoke) wheel in a 17x9 or17x10? I've looked, but not found any.

[Paradiddle]

Call Ron Schneider at Off Road General Store - 949-770-9300

He had some custom steel wheels (pretty sure they are 17"s and they had special offset to run with portal axles) built for him and they didn't cost a whole lot - it was a local So. Cal shop, I just can't remember the name.

Brain is more than fried right now.

Jeff

[papromike]

Jeff, I think High Impact did those wheels for Ron..

wow 40" mtr;s,

anyone want to get a pool going for how long it is going to take Chris_L to try and fit them on his bus....

[norcaljr]

Originally posted by papromike
Jeff, I think High Impact did those wheels for Ron..

wow 40" mtr;s,

anyone want to get a pool going for how long it is going to take Chris_L to try and fit them on his bus....

I think chris could do it I mean.. Claytons already running 38's on his bus

[Chris L]

Hmm...sawzall, refab/cutup my bumpers....Dont give me any ideas. My better 1/2 might not be too happy with that one

[Paradiddle]

Originally posted by papromike
Jeff, I think High Impact did those wheels for Ron..

wow 40" mtr;s,

anyone want to get a pool going for how long it is going to take Chris_L to try and fit them on his bus....

Mike - that name doesn't ring a bell - I thought it was something else, but like I said my brain is shot right now.

40's on a bus.....maybe if you built a tube frame and put bus body panels on it...



Jeff

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by ChrisO
Since I'm gonna go to 37's, I'm considering changing to 17" wheels at the same time.

I would love to have some all-out-trick-double-throwdown-special aluminum beadlocks.............but the ole' wallet would not allow it. And, I'm old-school and not sure that I will like 17's.

So, the question is, is there a wheel manufacture that makes a cheep ($50-75 range) steel (Rockcrawler or white spoke) wheel in a 17x9 or17x10? I've looked, but not found any.

Found this and thought that it may be useful.

http://www.high-impact.net/beadlockw...%20section.htm