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Is The Rubicon A Trail Or A Happening?
I've had the pleasure of doing The Rubicon Trail with good people a couple times now. After the first trip I had decided I would never do it again on a weekend. This last week we went up on Tuesday and came out on Saturday. Coming out was a total fuster cluck. Every kind of Jeep and crew imaginable was going in on the trail Saturday afternoon/morning. From groups similar to ours to head banging beer drinking young party goers.
My brother and I were thinking how dissapointed some of the far away folks that had planned for a Rubicon adventure were going to be when they discovered The Rubicon Trail on weekends is not so much an outdoor experience but a Happening. My point is, if you plan on doing the 'Con on a weekend be ready for long trail lines, head banging music, attitudes and crowded camping areas. Guaranteed! If you want to enjoy a more peacefull experience, plan your trip on the un-crowded week days or at least leave early and come out late. I'm not complaining, I'm just passing on some info for those who might not know............
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While you make valid points Ron, they are quite frankly old news. Hell, the yayhoos up there even made the LA Times last year.
One big reason and why it won't change anytime soon (without drastic changes or outright closure) is that the Rubicon used to be out in the sticks. Not anymore. All you have to do is drive east on the 50 to see how close suburbia has come to it. If I were a early 20 something who lived in that area and I was looking for a place to party and had the rig, the sluice and Spider (being only say a 4 hour trip) would be very tempting. Nothing wrong with that if you are still a kid but for the rest of us, it can be a PITA. 2 years past when we went, we timed it to conincide with Sierra Trek (which is over on Fordyce) and the trail was empty - we had a blast. We even camped at Spider which is tough to do if you are an old fart who wants some peace and quiet at night |
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I doubt any one living outside of LA would give the Times more than a glance if it was the only material in the john.........
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Were they simply ****ed off at the shear number of people out on the trail? Because if so, they have only their own lack of planning to blame. |
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Haven't grown up (at least my Jeep did) 4 wheelin on the Rubicon, I can assure you that it is most definitely a happening. I've run it early in the season (march-june) when theres not a single other sole around. I've also sat thru the craziness of a jamborree.
Both have their ups and downs, but if you're planning rubicon on a weekend when schools out, better be prepared for stupidity worse than a high school parking lot. Why? Because lawlessness prevails. There no police watching, no parents watching, and no boundaries. Drinking and drugs are everywhere. So. Be warned. Its ridiculous. |
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Ron, I think it's more of an early season thing. The trail has always been crowded when I have gone in June, it's never been crowded when I have gone in August. At least you got out before the Saturday crowd arrived, it got pretty rowdy.
Paul |
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A guy was trying to back up from where he had pulled off the trail to make room. He needed a foot to not run into the guy with an attitude in his old CJ. The attitude guy would not move an inch even though he had ten feet in front of him and knew he could have helped the guy out. Also lots of broken junkers I wouldn't take on a dirt road. Hecklers camped on the trail with drinking teen agers out to watch the show and generally B cool......... Robert, You can read about it but possibly not think the class of people could be so low. Especially if your from a small town in the midwest or something.
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I dunno Ron,
Maybe I'm overly jaded but I pretty much expect people to act like asses. Nice people are always a pleasant surprise but I don't expect it as the standard, especially wheelin - which IMO has an unfortunate talent for attracting yayhoos. |
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Its really become a mockery of what it used to be. Its a lot like spring break, every weekend. I'm not even looking forward to going this year.
Thats bad. |
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BWAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! A group from Seattle went dont to run the Rubicon not too long ago and I opted out. Not sure where I read it, but it seemed that the trail was a 24 hr drunk fest on the weekend to the point of being genuinely dangerous. I guess the phrase 'play with your own life, don't play with mine' comes to mind. I like risk and adrenaline as much as the next guy, but only when it's my hand that runs the lever; if ya know what I mean. There are hiking trails on the I-90 corridor (largest interstate heading East out of Seattle) that are beat wide enough to drive a Jeep up. I have a feeling if it wasn't for boulders, the Rubicon would be as wide as a four lane highway.
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Nope.
It's not a highway because some locals (a couple on this board) go up there and bust there asses fixing up the damage and clean the mess up. God Bless 'em........ BTW, they now have police on quads up there to patrol things on weekends. Time will tell what that does in the future.
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I agree that early season weekends after memorial day up through 4, July weekend are insane.
I do ok putting up with or inoring whatever cuz I used to be know it all teenager too. early season, late season and midweek is when it is enjoyable. It is true it is closer to suburbia, and there are many more rigs capable of getting in. (not all get out without some headache). there is a crop of the younger punks and thier associated white trash friends that come up to get wasted, bust their junk and party on. I think Eldo Co. SO will be having a field day with some of these kids. I think if a punk (young or old) gets flown out for DUI and possession of a controlled substance, has thier rig towed out and impounded it would make a HUGE statement. word would spread like wildfire that it happened. btw, wildfire is what scares me the most up there. well, maybe a 50/50 split over gunfire at night. I can easily put up with a dumbass kid wasted and rolling in the box. sooner or later darwinism will take over, but when they leave campfires burning or start yahoo shooting into the night is when I get really ****ed.
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If you're looking for a trail free of all the crap that you find on the Rubicon on weekends, I'd suggest doing the Dusy Ershim. It is clean, uncrowded (I've done it twice and seen a total of about 10 other rigs on the trail) and about have the distance for those coming from SoCal. For those who like to fish, the lakes are plentiful too. It does get up there in elevation so make sure you're well prepared for an evening chill.
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This thread is kinda dissapointing. I'm really looking forward to the upcomming trip, excited about that "Rubicon Adventure" thing. Sounds like there'll be more to worry about than just the rocks. Thanks for posting this, at least I'll know what to expect.
Brian.
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Brian,
Don't let this scare you. If you're going with the traffic and avoid the most popular hours you're going to have a good time. You just have to consider all this as part of the show. The trail is still challenging and the scenery spectacular. Who knows? You may be treated to some fire works after midnight like we were on Wednesday. Not just your average bottle rockets and fire crackers but expensive mortor types that Ka-Boom Woosh Ka-Pow Crackle Crackle. The show was earlier and more intense on Thursday evening. The providers of this display obviously wern't worried about the wind, fires or the law..........
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A buddy approached me about setting up a Rubicon trip this August. However, after reading this thread, I'm more inclined to suggest moving it to early September, and during the week when school is in session. I'm thinking first week or so, before hunting season.
Probably a smallish group of four or five rigs. Sound like a reasonable time?? |
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