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Old 02-28-2003, 08:00 PM
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tiny cracks

I got some new springs today in the mail and Found some interesting little cracks in my stock spring perch this afternoon.
Looking down on top of pass spring cup. Notice nicely sheared area on front from steering. Track bar seems to be doing a nice job also.
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Old 02-28-2003, 11:56 PM
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see what happens when you buy a SWB jeep... should have stuck with the grand















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Old 03-01-2003, 03:28 PM
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BEach's old rig is from Arizona and let me get this, it has rust? WOW.

Chris, if I were you I'd see if you weld the underside of that effected area. You could weld the exposed side but will the spring sit right. At least treat the area if anything.

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Old 03-03-2003, 09:10 AM
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Better look at the frame brackets for the upper rears while you are at it. Pretty common for them crack - mine have been welded up 2 and 3 times.
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Old 03-03-2003, 09:19 AM
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So you guys are saying TJs have a problem with CRACKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!



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Old 03-03-2003, 09:38 AM
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Not when correctly designed control arms are used...
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Old 03-03-2003, 10:42 AM
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Not when correctly designed control arms are used...
Inquiring minds want to know what is wrong with RE long arms.

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Old 03-03-2003, 11:16 AM
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I don't know. I never paid attention to the RE long arms. They are too long for what we do.

In my understanding, Terra arms is what cracked Robert's mounts.
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Old 03-03-2003, 11:59 AM
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Well,
The first time I needed to reweld my pass side upper, it had rust in it so it had been cracked for some time. I originally had Tera uppers but had swapped them out probably 6 months prior. Teras are not the best arm for non-binding articulation due to their bushing in barrel design so I wasn't surprised when I found the crack.

As a counterpoint though, about 3 months ago, I had to reweld the opposite bracket and the tear looked pretty fresh. I have been running RE arms for over a year now so infer what you will but I guess my point is that its not simply use of Tera or similar style arms that may be the only thing causing this inTJ's. I am no farbicator but frankly, the welds from the factory look pretty crappy to me and that seems to be a more likely candidate for some of these cases, at least in my situation.
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:04 PM
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Ok. I'm officially calling bull$hit on that one. Too long for what 'we' do?

A. Elitist crap. I have seen lots of differnet rigs run the hammers. Many do well and many do poorly. TJ's are not so special that they're the only vehicle that performs out there.

B. Too long?. I do 'what we do' a lot more than most and they're not too long for anything. Yes, the TJ LCAs hang lower than I would prefer. But they still work EXTREMELY well. I get less torque jacking and better climbing performance that the stock geometry.

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Old 03-03-2003, 12:16 PM
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I can't see any "tear" damage in that pic. Looks like all corrosive damage. Must be using some thin stuff for those mounts, maybe mixed with poor coating and/or easy corroding properties??
weird, esp for an AZ rig. Could it be the sand rubbing through and accelerating the corroding process??
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:17 PM
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uh-oh, and official bull$hit call... as opposed to an impromptu or off-the-cuff bull$hit call.

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Old 03-03-2003, 12:38 PM
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So Seth, in your opinion, I should replace whatever setup I have with a Rubicon Express long arm kit, and my jeep will work better on Hammer trails?
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:41 PM
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Knowing what your setup is, my answer is yes.

Mine works better.
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:44 PM
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Ok, thanks. Just for the record, I am not going to replace my setup with a Rubicon Express long arms kit.
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:49 PM
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Me either. But I don't know Jack (yet).
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:50 PM
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And just for the record, I didn't try to sell it to you.

Funny though that all of the rigs that you guys all know and love ALL run extended arm lengths....
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Old 03-03-2003, 12:57 PM
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We did Wrecking Ball on Saturday, and I didn't have to winch at all. And I am on small tires.
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:00 PM
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I drove this on Saturday with big tires:


Its got long arms too.

Oh... and I didn't winch it either!
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:02 PM
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SWEET!!
But it's missing a backseat, and A/C.
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:04 PM
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Its definitely got A/C. Drive down the wash at 30 mph and try not to freeze your ass off!

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Old 03-03-2003, 01:06 PM
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How do you get in that thing? Is there a ladder?
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:08 PM
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Although its fairly squat, its a race C A R style entrance. Climb onto the rear tire, stand on the door, then stand on the seat and drop in.

The whole C A R is actually REALLY short.
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Old 03-03-2003, 01:56 PM
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Hey Chris,
Originally I ran the Skyjacker TB, and steering stabilizer that put the t-bar above the axle. Well that bracket ripped off on a wheeling trip. So I went back to the RE T-bar and rigged the stabilizer like it is there. Im thinking that when the stock steering stabilizer bracket brok at the axle, that it must of put some stress cracks at the spring bucket.
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P.S- I never had that much rust on it, must be that nice salty CA coast you live on
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Old 03-03-2003, 03:33 PM
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And just for the record, I didn't try to sell it to you.

Funny though that all of the rigs that you guys all know and love ALL run extended arm lengths....
Funny thing how none of the rigs that we "know and love" hang the arms down below the frame.

Also - why is it that everything you run works better than what someone else runs? I think Sergey's point is somewhat valid - ground clearance seems to be extremely important when running the hammers - from the few times I've been out there.



I also ran Wrecking Ball on 35s this weekend and suffered a few times because of the long wheelbase/breakover angle of the XJ. I run short arms on my XJ as an FYI. I imagine that getting hung up on long arms must feel the same way.

That buggy is cool - but a KJ front clip - come on!!!

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Old 03-03-2003, 04:02 PM
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Jeff,
You obviously don't know me for ****. I've bought and abandoned more product than most jeep clubs members combined. 9 sets of tires (4 BFG, 3 Goodyear, 2 Swamper), 3 transfer cases (Teralow on one, Atlas II now) 5 lift combinations of various heights and arm lengths, 2 different sets of axles 30/44 both with detroits and HP60s with ARBs. I am also on trail typically 4 days per month plus every major event west of Colorado. Last year alone I got to run Rubicon, Moab, Hammers, Big Bear, Axle Alley in Phoenix, Truckhaven, Ocotillo Wells, among others.

So. Maybe I know what works from first hand experience.

Sergey's comment was regarding arm LENGTH, not location. If you read MY comment I admitted readily that the clearance was comprimised, but the performance gains were worth the loss in clearance. And... ALL arms hang below the frame... otherwise they'd be hard pressed to attach to the axles!

FWIW, its not a Liberty. That was last years look.


This is supposed to look like an H2. The hood is actually molded from an H2 provided by GM. The C A Rwas built by Avalanche for BFGoodrich. Dynatrac co-sponsored the car. They are using it to launch the new Krawler tire in a new ad campaign that will debut next month. The C A Rwill be given away thru Petersen's 4WOR at Supercrawl.

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Old 03-03-2003, 04:23 PM
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Also - why is it that everything you run works better than what someone else runs?
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Strange, I didn't read that into Seth's comments.
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Old 03-03-2003, 04:25 PM
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Knowing what your setup is, my answer is yes.

Mine works better.

Geez, Chris, weren't you paying attention??? I said it!
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Old 03-03-2003, 04:32 PM
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Oh, okay, got it now..
Wait, nope, missed it.
Coulda sworn you were answering his question directed specifically at control arms. Silly me.
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Old 03-03-2003, 04:35 PM
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I was. But as we all know, this is the internet and we can infer anything we want without fear of repercussion, as no one is required to be accountable for what they say. Credible sources are few and far between.

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