JK thoughts

[blkTJ]

Originally posted by Iceman

We only had one tire failure during the 2 weeks of wheeling

compared to my zero tire failures in JV over nearly 3 years. still not sold.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by blkTJ
compared to my zero tire failures in JV over nearly 3 years. still not sold.

I'm not sold either, but if you were to let each of the 220 individual journalists drive your rig up Cadillac over a 2 week period, what do you think your attrition rate for tires would be?

[Dan-H]

I don't think the rocks are as sharp up here.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Dan-H
I don't think the rocks are as sharp up here.

They aren't. But neither were the drivers.

[Jeff Weston]

Originally posted by blkTJ
compared to my zero tire failures in JV over nearly 3 years. still not sold.

You are so doomed for many a shredded tire! I'll have my spare handy for rent at reasonable rates.

[Allen]

Originally posted by Cutch
All these posts and I was barely mentioned once.

For all those that were there knew what the order of importance was.

#1
#2
and the media release of the JK's


It's still all about him

Ahem,

I seem to remember late one night #1 and mrblaine risking life and limb, armed only with Leathermen, waking a comatose #2 and saving his ass from a most certain deadly encounter with a black bear.

If you had died, what would I have done? Who would have got me stuff?

Still all about me indeed.



Allen

[blkTJ]

Originally posted by mrblaine
I'm not sold either, but if you were to let each of the 220 individual journalists drive your rig up Cadillac over a 2 week period, what do you think your attrition rate for tires would be?

less than 2???

valve stems, well now that's a differant story.

[blkTJ]

Originally posted by Jeff Weston
You are so doomed for many a shredded tire! I'll have my spare handy for rent at reasonable rates.

you know, I totally forgot that I ripped a sidewall my last time out. I'll be fine.

[Dan-H]

Originally posted by mrblaine
They aren't. But neither were the drivers.

While I doubt it was intended for me, it hit close to home

[Iceman]

Originally posted by blkTJ
compared to my zero tire failures in JV over nearly 3 years. still not sold.

now you just jinxed yourself (or your rig)

[Cutch]

I have to agree with everyone who was there and their comments on the JK.

I'm not crazy about the look of the front fenders....I think tube fenders would look great but I understand the function design of the stock fenders.

The one thing that amazed me the most was that with all the food served and the free open beer bar I didn't gain any weight.....must have all the errands I was running for Number 1

[oddball]

I think the Gladiator will be produced, but not as soon as most (diehards) want. I think it is too brand specific, too Jeep, for Chryco/Diamler and would not be seen as mainstream enough.

Also, it may have to do with Dana/Spicer, and the diesel engine. Diesel and ULSD are somewhat up in the air right now, as far as new diesel pricing, and Dana/Spicer is hurting and may not be able to produce axles for the vehicle.

Am I anywhere near right?

[Allen]

Originally posted by oddball
I think the Gladiator will be produced, but not as soon as most (diehards) want. I think it is too brand specific, too Jeep, for Chryco/Diamler and would not be seen as mainstream enough.

Also, it may have to do with Dana/Spicer, and the diesel engine. Diesel and ULSD are somewhat up in the air right now, as far as new diesel pricing, and Dana/Spicer is hurting and may not be able to produce axles for the vehicle.

Am I anywhere near right?

Not even remotely right.

Allen

[mbryson]

Originally posted by Allen
Not even remotely right.

Allen

They don't want to crash test it/certify it with airbags and all the other crap?

[Allen]

Originally posted by mbryson
They don't want to crash test it/certify it with airbags and all the other crap?

Wrong.

They want to build it.

They know that it will sell very well.

It has nothing to do with willingness on their part, because they are more than willing.

They'd start production tomorrow if they could.

But they can't.

Why can't they?

Nor would they make any money on it.

Why is the question.

Allen

[mbryson]

Originally posted by Allen
Wrong.

They want to build it.

They know that it will sell very well.

It has nothing to do with willingness on their part, because they are more than willing.

They'd start production tomorrow if they could.

But they can't.

Why can't they?

Nor would they make any money on it.

Why is the question.

Allen

UAW is the only other factor I can think of. The $$$$

[Allen]

Originally posted by mbryson
UAW is the only other factor I can think of. The $$$$

Nope.....

[mbryson]

Originally posted by Allen
Nope.....

CAFE?


Plant capacity?


Supply issues?

[Allen]

No.

No.

And no.

Allen

[ABQ TJ]

I already gave the answer a page or so ago...

[Allen]

Originally posted by ABQ TJ
I already gave the answer a page or so ago...

Hush.



Allen

[ABQ TJ]

Originally posted by Allen
Hush.



Allen

LOL

[mbryson]

Originally posted by ABQ TJ
I already gave the answer a page or so ago...

Originally posted by ABQ TJ
they would need to build a NEW production line, thus raising the hurdle-rate above any chance of making a profit, without over-pricing the vehicle out of the market.

Didn't I mention the production line (whoops, plant capacity....sorry, almost the same, but not quite)?

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by mbryson
Didn't I mention the production line (whoops, plant capacity....sorry, almost the same, but not quite)?

It's purely a size issue. The wheelbase is too long for the assembly lines in the current plant. A new plant would have to be built solely for production of the Gladiator.

[mbryson]

Originally posted by mrblaine
It's purely a size issue. The wheelbase is too long for the assembly lines in the current plant. A new plant would have to be built solely for production of the Gladiator.

What's the wheelbase supposed to be? Longer than the JK 4 door, I guess.....

[oddball]

Huh, I thought it used a dakota frame. I guess size is everything

[Iceman]

here's another real life experience with the JKs at Superlift ORV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QGRYuMtDgc

also with some comments from the engineers

[DEnd]

Originally posted by mrblaine
It's purely a size issue. The wheelbase is too long for the assembly lines in the current plant. A new plant would have to be built solely for production of the Gladiator.

I could possibly see a LOA issue, but not a Wheelbase issue, Still DC has plenty of (under utilized) plants capable of producing the gladiator and say the 4 door depending on how the product mix would work out. My bet would be closer to a tooling cost issue, marketing, brand image, and product mix. It's a bit much to introduce 3 new vehicles to a brand the size of Jeep. Especially when you are looking at doing it all in one plant and you don't know what the product mix will be.

[ChrisO]

Originally posted by mrblaine
It's purely a size issue. The wheelbase is too long for the assembly lines in the current plant. A new plant would have to be built solely for production of the Gladiator.

Simple answer:

Make it the same wheelbase as the 4-door! I'd still buy it.