$21 Bucks!? - Page 3

Robert J. Yates · #61 09-28-2004, 09:21 PM

so jeff, are you suggesting that I ban myself for using gaskets? that would sure make a bunch of xj pukes real happy

Paradiddle · #62 09-28-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Robert J. Yates
so jeff, are you suggesting that I ban myself for using gaskets? that would sure make a bunch of xj pukes real happy

You think so.

See you this weekend Robert - I look forward to having a cold beverage with you even if you do use gaskets!

I'm a big enough man to not let gaskets stand in the way of our friendship.

Jeff

Paradiddle · #63 09-28-2004, 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by Robert J. Yates
so jeff, are you suggesting that I ban myself for using gaskets? that would sure make a bunch of xj pukes real happy

You think so.

See you this weekend Robert - I look forward to having a cold beverage with you even if you do use gaskets!

I'm a big enough man to not let gaskets stand in the way of our friendship.

Jeff

Croaker · #64 09-29-2004, 05:48 AM

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Originally posted by cbassett
Malarky.

"Fair" is the application of a moral judgement to an economic decision.

How does that make it an economic issue? It is a MORAL judgement. Your morals <> mine <> Sergey's. "Fair price" is an illusion, from an economic perspective -- just like the concept of "throwing good money after bad."

cbassett · #65 09-29-2004, 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by Croaker
How does that make it an economic issue? It is a MORAL judgement. Your morals <> mine <> Sergey's. "Fair price" is an illusion, from an economic perspective -- just like the concept of "throwing good money after bad."

Fair price is only an illusion to those that concede, against their better judgement, and pay for something at a price they deem to be "unfair" (then proceed to post on a BBS and whine about it, as if someone had a knife to their throat

).

NAILER341 · #66 09-29-2004, 09:33 AM

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Originally posted by cbassett
Fair price is only an illusion to those that concede, against their better judgement, and pay for something at a price they deem to be "unfair" (then proceed to post on a BBS and whine about it, as if someone had a knife to their throat ).

You seem to be confused about this whole thread, if that is really what you think..
i'll go along with the "post it on jeep bbs, and whine about it " part..
bit i did pay what i thought was a "fair" price, and did NOT pay what i thought was an unfair price. [$21.00]
this thread was started to see if those that recommended that particular silicone actually paid $21 bucks for it. and they do not.
those that recommended this particular product actually pay 7-9 bucks per tube, and their local dealership provides more reasonable, and fair pricing for its walk in customers.

TObject · #67 09-29-2004, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by cbassett
Fair price is only an illusion to those that concede, against their better judgement, and pay for something at a price they deem to be "unfair" (then proceed to post on a BBS and whine about it, as if someone had a knife to their throat ).

You argument that I only participate in these threads because I lost money is invalid. I got my money back through the best value guarantee program.

cbassett · #68 09-29-2004, 09:51 AM

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Originally posted by NAILER341
You seem to be confused about this whole thread, if that is really what you think..
i'll go along with the "post it on jeep bbs, and whine about it " part..
bit i did pay what i thought was a "fair" price, and did NOT pay what i thought was an unfair price. [$21.00]
this thread was started to see if those that recommended that particular silicone actually paid $21 bucks for it. and they do not.
those that recommended this particular product actually pay 7-9 bucks per tube, and their local dealership provides more reasonable, and fair pricing for its walk in customers.

Nope, not confused at all; just encapsulating all whiners in the given scenario in one fell swoop; whether you paid for it or not, not just you for starting this thread.

cbassett · #69 09-29-2004, 09:52 AM

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Originally posted by TObject
You argument that I only participate in these threads because I lost money is invalid. I got my money back through the best value guarantee program.

You still paid the "unfair" price; point is valid.
:P

TObject · #70 09-29-2004, 09:57 AM

Well, I am not whining. I am protesting.

John · #71 09-29-2004, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Robert J. Yates
....sheer boredom had struck me Friday afternoon - besides, I like to argue

I also again proved to myself this weekend why I like gaskets over silicone. Did a diff service on the 10 bolt and 14bolt axles in my Suburban. Getting the old RTV off took the most time. With gaskets, its no muss, no fuss and if done correctly, no leaks.

Buy an air scraper

TObject · #72 09-29-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by John
Buy an air scraper

Air Scraper? Do they have it on the same shelf with Aircraft Remover, and General Purpose Cleaner?

- Honey, could you scrape the air please?
- Just a sec, let me get the air scraper out of the garage...

Croaker · #73 09-29-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by cbassett
Fair price is only an illusion to those that concede, against their better judgement, and pay for something at a price they deem to be "unfair" (then proceed to post on a BBS and whine about it, as if someone had a knife to their throat ).

Put down the pipe & go breathe some fresh air for a while.

Define (objectively) what constitutes a universal "fair price" for any given transaction. It cannot be done, other than to say the price upon which the buyer and seller agree -- which has already been deemed non-acceptable here.

Robert J. Yates · #74 09-29-2004, 02:06 PM

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Originally posted by John
Buy an air scraper

that wasn't my point. between getting the airhose, die grinder and other crap out, to scraping the rtv off, I could have had most of the diff service already done if gaskets had been used - they happen to pop right off and then are re-usable.

John · #75 09-29-2004, 02:30 PM

What about those lube lockers? Reusable gaskets.

cbassett · #76 09-29-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Croaker
Put down the pipe & go breathe some fresh air for a while.

Define (objectively) what constitutes a universal "fair price" for any given transaction. It cannot be done, other than to say the price upon which the buyer and seller agree -- which has already been deemed non-acceptable here.

Like Nancy, I just say no to crack.

Definition has been covered.

Art Welch · #77 09-29-2004, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Croaker
Define (objectively) what constitutes a universal "fair price" for any given transaction. It cannot be done, other than to say the price upon which the buyer and seller agree -- which has already been deemed non-acceptable here.

That is the definition of a fair price, how exactly has it been deemed non-acceptable?

Yes, I do feel like I'm talking to myself here. Maybe it's the manual transmission

Croaker · #78 09-30-2004, 05:11 AM

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Originally posted by Art Welch
That is the definition of a fair price, how exactly has it been deemed non-acceptable?

Yes, I do feel like I'm talking to myself here. Maybe it's the manual transmission

Sergey threw it out of the running back on the first page, IIRC.

In Econ, you don't find "fair" in that definition, though.

JLemieux · #79 09-30-2004, 09:01 PM

If I have a product and it cost me $100 to purchase.

How much (in dollars) do you think it is "fair" to sell it for?

What do you base your answer on?

Just curious.

JLemieux · #80 09-30-2004, 09:01 PM

If I have a product and it cost me $100 to purchase.

How much (in dollars) do you think it is "fair" to sell it for?

What do you base your answer on?

Just curious.

NAILER341 · #81 09-30-2004, 09:17 PM

what is the average price that the majority is selling this $100 dollar item for?
what is the msrp?
what is the item?

cbassett · #82 10-01-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by JLemieux If I have a product and it cost me $100 to purchase.
How much (in dollars) do you think it is "fair" to sell it for?

Depends on the product, it's condition, it's quality, the market demand for it, ....
I tell ya what, if it's worth half what you paid for it, I'll buy it off ya for $10.

JLemieux · #83 10-02-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by NAILER341
what is the average price that the majority is selling this $100 dollar item for?

It doesn't matter. This is from a business stand point, not a perceived value point.

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Originally posted by NAILER341
what is the msrp?

MSRP means nothing. But if it matters to you, let's say $200.

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Originally posted by NAILER341
what is the item?

A Widget

What I am trying to find out is this. If you had a small Jeep related business, what kind of profit do you think you have to make on a parts to stay in business?

Jeff Weston · #84 10-02-2004, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by JLemieux
What I am trying to find out is this. If you had a small Jeep related business, what kind of profit do you think you have to make on a parts to stay in business?

Don't know about parts, but figure about 3 times an empoloyee's hourly wage must be charged to the client to cover wages, overhead, taxes, insurance, etc.

NAILER341 · #85 10-02-2004, 03:30 PM

thre is not a set percentage that can be made off of parts in general.
for the most part, you can be juat under msrp, and do ok. but that is not always true either.
where you are going to make your "parts" money is on the parts you can get at the best rate.

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It doesn't matter. This is from a business stand point, not a perceived value point.

perceived value is what you can get for the part, and keep repeat business.
there are some ways out of that, but really.... are you going to shop someplace that you feel you are being robbed?
now a way that make your job, including parts more valuable is the experience of the installer.
i know, often times people will pay a bit more for experience.
another way to help get more for your things than your competition is service .
if you provide the best service to your customer, and that includes some beverages, kind words, some pretty ladies to look at while waiting, a nice magazine collection, etc..
just make the customer feel like they are getting more from you than your competitors, and you have something.

john, for the type of work that you do, there are relatively average prices, and there are some that are just crazy.
what enables you to charge a bit more than your competition is your experience.
what makes it difficult to charge much more than your competitors is location.
everyone wants to feel like they are getting the best value .
value is not always cost... it is a combination of many things.

JLemieux · #86 10-04-2004, 08:33 AM

Thanks for the input. I'm just trying to get into the mind of the consumer. I know what I need to charge for things I sell. There are things I choose not to sell simply because there is not enough profit in them. This is the reason for my original post that said that the price needs to be fair to the seller.