JV 10-01-03 first run of the season

[NAILER341]

Originally posted by Joe Dillard
The YJ held-up okay - chrome & all! Although I REALLY need to ditch my F&R bumpers and get some that are more functional and better suited. Also, there were a few occassions where if my CC tire & can carrier were absent - things would have went a bit better due to their inherant overhang and robbing some departure angle.

I've been meaning to call Rob up - but haven't done so just yet. I appreciate the part numbers!

take a look at http://rock-itman.com/
he is making some pretty nice bumpers with departure angle at the top of the list of priorities.
call him, i'm sure you'll get a great price.

[Zorban_the_Great]

XJ vs TJ
XJ: longer wheelbase means worse break over angle, but more stability and more room inside. Can carry more friends and stuff. Same engines, but unibody means its lighter per inch. The XJ is actually 601 lbs lighter than a new Rubi, 335 lbs lighter than a TJ Sport. Lighter weight means better mileage, less impact on the terrain, better acceleration. Coil front, leaf rear. Simpler, but less flex. Can be less expensive for the rear leaves, but no durability differences I know of.
TJ: body on frame, sturdier, tougher back bone than the XJ, but also much heavier. Both have same engines. No advantage either way. Better approach/departure/breakover angles. Tighter inside, virtually no cargo space with passengers. Full coil suspension gives decent ride and good flex

What's that mean? Nothing. It depends on what you value more. Me? I value space over the better angles of the TJ. I know what my limitations are and what my advantages are. Apparently most of the people here prefer the TJ/YJ/CJ's traits. That's fine. The fact that this is getting so much discussion shows there are some feelings involved here and Sergey's (Sergey=TObject, right?) posts show some slight bias against XJs. Is there a conspiracy? No, not that I see. Everyone's just getting all bent outta shape over nothing.

[TObject]

Just in case somebody is thinking that I was dead serious. I was not. I was kidding.

[Zorban_the_Great]

What? There was sarcasm? You bastard...I know it was all in jest. Just pointing out how maybe it could've gotten convoluted.

[TObject]

Originally posted by Zorban_the_Great
convoluted

Nobody uses words like this in real life. Are you a scientist?

[Zorban_the_Great]

Originally posted by TObject
Nobody uses words like this in real life. Are you a scientist?

I hate science. I am the Keeper of the Fire.

[TObject]

Yeh, looks like I was wrong again. So far that word was used on our board 4 times.

Once by mrblaine, once by Darrell C, once by Dalles2, and now by you. Must be some redneck term or something.

[Robert J. Yates]

Originally posted by Zorban_the_Great
I hate science. I am the Keeper of the Fire.

Quest for Fire


Great fawking movie :clapping:

[Scott Hill]

Originally posted by TObject
Yeh, looks like I was wrong again. So far that word was used on our board 4 times.

Once by mrblaine, once by Darrell C, once by Dalles2, and now by you. Must be some redneck term or something.

LMAO

I know of no one more scientific like and detailed then Dalles2.

Frank dont take it personal but you give tech writters a bad name cause they dont include the detail you do.

[speaceman]

Really, the main difference (issue) between unibody jeeps and TJs is that the unibody is a great weight/space compromise but is not that spectacular for longevity if the vehicle is being used for anything over light wheeling.

Capablity-wise, there really isn't much of a difference between any jeep, when you look at wheeling in general. This becomes more true the more you spend money on mods.

Unibody jeeps make great DD, if light wheeling is the highest level of wheeling you will be doing regularly.

The minute mods or moderate or heavy wheelling is thrown into the picture, the unibody is not the best way to go with regards to building up a jeep.

I wheeld my ZJ on 31s and 3 inches of lift for 2 years with no issues. It was capable off road on any trail Big Bear and under and it was a great DD.

I went up to 5+ inches and 33s with lockers and a year after I started to experince unibody related issues such as cracks in the unibody rails, cracked (almost off) rear UCAs and cracks in the rear hatch sill.

Modding a unibody over a slight lift can lead to maintenance issues that framed vehicles don't have to deal with at the same amount of mods.

In the end, it just comes down to how much do you want to have to keep track of on your "to do" maintenance list with regards to what type of jeep you are comfortable with doing mods on.

[TObject]

Originally posted by Scott Hill
LMAO

I know of no one more scientific like and detailed then Dalles2.

Frank dont take it personal but you give tech writters a bad name cause they dont include the detail you do.

He may be the most scientific man in the world, but if he can buy everything at Wall Mart he's still a good ole boy! I've never heard him say, "Duct tape can't fix that"; and "We don't keep fire arms in this house", is definitely not his motto.

[TObject]

Ok, is there anybody left here, whom I haven't offended yet?

Raise your hand!

[Robert J. Yates]

Well,
you could start humiliating yourself again and see if that offends anybody

[John]

Originally posted by TObject
Ok, is there anybody left here, whom I haven't offended yet?

Raise your hand!

oooh, oooh. Over here!!!!! Best bring your "A" game though if you're going to try.

[TObject]

Wow there, one at a time!

Ok, on Robert we have that picture of CeeJay sucking on his finger.

And John, send me a picture of yourself, I'll chop a monkey head onto you or something.

[Robert J. Yates]

Originally posted by John
Best bring your "A" game though if you're going to try.

Watch it - the only game he really needs is how to push the administrators button

For some reason, turds who want to troll us keep forgetting about that - we smoked one yesterday before he could even get started

[John]

Originally posted by TObject
And John, send me a picture of yourself, I'll chop a monkey head onto you or something.

See, that would be an upgrade already

[Dan-H]

Originally posted by TObject
Ok, is there anybody left here, whom I haven't offended yet?

Raise your hand!

[NAILER341]

Originally posted by Dan-H

DITTO

[JeepGal]

Originally posted by Chris L
Truck nuts. Everyone needs a set of these....

ummm...please tell me this isnt my imagination...

but the reflection in the nuts is a fat naked man. Im seeing things right?

I really dont want to imagine that, Id feel better knowing I was actually seeing it.

Tam

[speaceman]

Nope, it's just you. Tsk tsk for imagining that.

[NAILER341]

Originally posted by JeepGal
ummm...please tell me this isnt my imagination...

but the reflection in the nuts is a fat naked man. Im seeing things right?

I really dont want to imagine that, Id feel better knowing I was actually seeing it.

Tam

you have a really dirty mind, tam! for shame, for shame

[igofshn]

Originally posted by JeepGal
ummm...please tell me this isnt my imagination...

but the reflection in the nuts is a fat naked man. Im seeing things right?

I really dont want to imagine that, Id feel better knowing I was actually seeing it.

Tam

It is really a fat chick.

[cbassett]

When that pic was first posted I saw the photographer bending down to take the pic. Now I see a fat dude wearing a bikini!
What gives?????????

[TObject]

Originally posted by cbassett

What gives?????????

Your computer monitor at home is of better quality than the one at work you saw the picture originally with.

[cbassett]

Originally posted by TObject
Your computer monitor at home is of better quality than the one at work you saw the picture originally with.

Are you snooping IPs??

[Zorban_the_Great]

A frame is always prefereable for any kind of hard use. Be it off-road or towing or carrying heavy loads, but you can beef the XJs "frame" up pretty good with some well placed braces and you can minimize wear by thinking through your mods. Avoid heavy stuff, like ARB Bull Bars unless you've found a way to lessen the strain of that heavy chunk of steel hanging from the nose. External tire carriers can also be pretty heavy on the back, especially with 35" tires. What I've seen a lot f is people putting partial exo cages on (part inner part exo) and using that to mount heavier things like tire carriers to. I know of a quite afew guys who run some pretty gnarly trails with some pretty big setups (6-8"lifts , 35-37" tires)