Rope n thimble

[Chris L]

Got my rope back from Emil today. Thimble attached and all. what customer serice. No Charge.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Chris L
Got my rope back from Emil today. Thimble attached and all. what customer serice. No Charge.

Take a look under the heat shrink and see if it is adhesive lined. If not, let me know and I have some that will stick very well and is triple wall.

Looks good.

[papromike]

Where you boys get them there, fancy winch thimbles??


I need one for my new winch rope....

[Robert J. Yates]

Think real hard Mike

[papromike]

UH, DUH......MR. B. you have any?????

[NAILER341]

click the pic.
they are available here

[Robert A.M. Stephens]

In my situation, I need and rely on a hook on the cable end since there are so many hook-tow purchase arrangements out there on so many vehicles.

In the photos above, does that loop link fit pretty much all hook and tow arrangements as a female hook, or just specific applications? Intriguing set up.

Thanks in advance.

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by Robert A.M. Stephens
In my situation, I need and rely on a hook on the cable end since there are so many hook-tow purchase arrangements out there on so many vehicles.

In the photos above, does that loop link fit pretty much all hook and tow arrangements as a female hook, or just specific applications? Intriguing set up.

Thanks in advance.

It was designed and built around the common occurrence of using an anchor shackle and a hook on most recoverys. Since few OEM winch hooks are as strong as an alloy shackle, why not take that weak link out of the equation?

Also, there are very few places a hook will work that a shackle won't and shackles rarely if ever come undone when a bounce or surge in the recovered rig induces a little slack in the rigging.

[Paradiddle]

The other nice thing is that you can hold the thimble by the loop and never suck your hand into the winch.

[Paradiddle]

Two other nice things - it won't fit into a failead so your hand can't get sucked in if you are holding it, and it is very small compared to the huge hooks that were coming on our ropes.

Jeff

[KJP98TJ]

what size shackles are you guys using, generally?

[mrblaine]

Originally posted by KJP98TJ
what size shackles are you guys using, generally?

7/8" pin which IIRC makes it a 3/4" shackle. The alloy steel forged galvanized that I use mostly are rated at 14,000 WLL which equates to a minimum of 42,000 breaking strength.

Also in industrial ratings, you have to reduce your WLL for each connection made in the rigging.

[Matt Pascoe]

Originally posted by mrblaine
7/8" pin which IIRC makes it a 3/4" shackle. The alloy steel forged galvanized that I use mostly are rated at 14,000 WLL which equates to a minimum of 42,000 breaking strength.

Also in industrial ratings, you have to reduce your WLL for each connection made in the rigging.

When I went looking for shackles I went to an industrial rigging supply shop and told them I wanted shackles to use with a 9500lb winch. They pulled out some HUGE shackles Something about shackles used for overhead lifting require a 4X safety factor. They didnt know what an appropriate safety factor would be for a horizontal, vehicle winching use.

I wound up with some "Chicago" 6.5 ton 7/8" shackles.

Heres where I really got confused... I then asked for a hook for the same rating, it was GIGANTIC. I showed them the small hook that came with my Warn cable and they said that it "might" be a 1.5 ton hook (unmarked). The reason it doesnt break is that it is being used within the 4X safety factor realm (4*1.5 ton = 12,000lb).

So, heres my question... what is an appropriate "safety factor" for the type of winching that we do? It seems that Warn thinks a safety factor of "0" is acceptable. What is the "Safety Thimbel" rated at?

Last question What knot is that on Chris L's rope? Looks like a noose slip knot. Is that used because that type of rope cant be woven back together (unlike an Amsteel)?

[Robert A.M. Stephens]

Originally posted by Matt Pascoe
When I went looking for shackles I went to an industrial rigging supply shop and told them I wanted shackles to use with a 9500lb winch. They pulled out some HUGE shackles Something about shackles used for overhead lifting require a 4X safety factor. They didnt know what an appropriate safety factor would be for a horizontal, vehicle winching use.

I wound up with some "Chicago" 6.5 ton 7/8" shackles.

Heres where I really got confused... I then asked for a hook for the same rating, it was GIGANTIC. I showed them the small hook that came with my Warn cable and they said that it "might" be a 1.5 ton hook (unmarked). The reason it doesnt break is that it is being used within the 4X safety factor realm (4*1.5 ton = 12,000lb).

So, heres my question... what is an appropriate "safety factor" for the type of winching that we do? It seems that Warn thinks a safety factor of "0" is acceptable. What is the "Safety Thimbel" rated at?

Last question What knot is that on Chris L's rope? Looks like a noose slip knot. Is that used because that type of rope cant be woven back together (unlike an Amsteel)?

In horizontal winching the rule is double the capacity of the winch x 1.5.

Thus:

10,000 lb winch capacity, x 2=20,000
20,000 x 1.5=30,000

A 15+ ton capacity should do it then.

I use industrial hooks with swaged and looped-sleeve ends at about 40 ton rating each. Resulting in a hook about 6" across at the hook shank.

I always toss my factory OEM hooks on the winch as shipped, then cut the line and have it swaged and metal sleeve looped.

[Croaker]

Originally posted by Robert A.M. Stephens
In horizontal winching the rule is double the capacity of the winch x 1.5.

"Three times the winch rating" was too complicated, eh?

[zman]

Originally posted by Croaker
"Three times the winch rating" was too complicated, eh?

Thanks for clarifying.

[Robert A.M. Stephens]

must be a chill here........